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Ben Recht's avatar

Your take away that RCTs are "possible" is a step too far from the evidence.

This study

1. recruited patients through advertising

2. had all interaction done through email and online surveys

3. gave the treatment group gift cards to buy masks

4. based outcomes on a complicated composite outcome and a lot of mysterious regression

This is an absurd experimental design! Why should we give this study any credence? Just because it was randomized and published?

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Doran Peck's avatar

Here is what's misunderstood about mask science...it is not a "medical" thing....it is an "Exposure science" thing.....and the fundamentals of exposure science are being ignored ...and until you bring those elements into the equation...the conversation around masks is going to be saturated with false ideas....and further...you CAN'T run a randomized control trial until you account for the very science fundamentals that are effecting the mask. Masks don't work to stop transmission,...or do anything useful, that end point is true....but it has very little to do with filtration and seal to the face. It has everything to do with contamination behavior. Hazmat suits only work as good as the contamination behavior of the wearer. BEHAVIOR is 90% of the functionality of ANY PERSONAL TOOL. The only way masks could possibly work on their own is if they made everything that comes out of your mouth get sucked into an alternate dimension. The fact is...when you breathe or cough into the mask....the amount of potential contamination is still at 100% in the immediate area.. its just on surface areas...floor, table over there...the mask...yeah the mask is nothing more than a surface area that collects stuff.....and your breathing just pushes it right out again. ...so...Nothing has been made to disappear or be gone. its all still there....the The Hierarchy of controls...which is the fundamental basis for ALL SAFETY design and protocol...is built the way it is because of the impact BEHAVIOR has on controls. This is why masks and every other piece of personal tool...I mean...PPE...gowns goggles...have a BEHAVIOR protocol that goes along with them. Because it takes such a MASSIVE amount of correct behavior for them to even work properly..( I suppose you just thought you had to do all that cuz what?...superstition?) Behavior is an actual mechanism of the functionality....its not just what the things are made of or how they are designed...those elements are the minor mechanism of function. ....and can be wholly negated...no matter how state of the art it is...by what?...that's right....Behavior. Try using a spoon upside down next time you eat soup. You could distribute hazmat suits to every citizen in a community...and every last one of them would get infected with whatever it is they are trying to protect themselves from...because they would all contaminate themselves and others because they don't know how to use the tool. A better use of your call to do random control trials would be to measure the effects of different contamination behavior regarding masks....where does the contamination go when you breath through it...or when you drop it, or when you shake it or when you hang it in your car mirror or put it in your pocket. You want to prove masks don't work....stop focusing on whether people get infected or not...there's just too many other things in the room ALSO effecting that....instead...show how the trail of contamination, doesn't get stopped, or reduced by your mask. It's a much more convincing visual.

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