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Jenni Majumdar's avatar

I give the sedation for these, and this study makes me think about how badly timed our usual symptom question is. The five minutes are propofol, and what someone says in the twenty minutes afterward is not clean data - they are relieved, a little euphoric, and often genuinely surprised it is already over. I have had patients tell me they feel wonderful before I have finished taking the monitors off. Three-times-daily recordings over weeks are a far better instrument than the question we ask at the bedside, and the third of patients who got worse is the finding I would not have predicted. The wider version of this is most of my job: what a patient reports and what my monitor shows are two separate measurements, and the trouble starts when someone treats them as one.

Michael Plunkett's avatar

Having trained before easy access to ablation we knew that most a fibbers couldn’t tell and didn’t care. And studies then showed that those we did ablate weren’t symptomatically better but spent more time in hospital and spent more money. There were a few who were exquisitely sensitive and symptomatic to a fib and you didn’t have a choice with them. I can count them on one hand, and I’ve seen a lot of a fib.

I think that today’s rush to ablation is driven by device manufacturers and $$$ for institutions and proceeduralists. To me there are only a few strong indications for ablation: the significantly symptomatic, those whose rate we can’t control and were we to achieve being able to cease continuing full anticoagulation that would be a good indication. The great majority of a fibbers are asymptomatic and they are too sedentary to notice 15 more seconds on a treadmill.

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