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David AuBuchon's avatar

Since flu vaccination spikes at age 65, you can do a regression discontinuity study. One exists. It finds no mortality benefit and trends towards increased mortality especially in males. I believe this more than any RCT. I fall into the camp of "this is not a plausible benefit". Intentially giving people an experience of acute inflammation after a heart attack sounds like a way to kill some people, IMO.

Meta-analyses of RCTs on this subjects seem conflicting.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24000537

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD005050.pub3/full

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.019636

Self-controlled case series claims benefit:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-024-00969-y

But my question here is what happens if vaccination causes events in an acute window. That would automatically make SCCS studies report spurious benefit. (Nothing beats detecting harm and calling it benefit...) Also super weird is their sensitivity analysis which in one case excludes people who had acute CV events. This is the analysis where they reported the *most* benefit. The sensitivity analysis also says the benefit was driven only by particular flu seasons, even though their supplementary tables - at least to me - do not suggest those years had especially better concordance of vaccine strain. They also did no variation in their baseline defintion, which is probably the most important variable. Hard to believe any studies anymore..

One question I have in general is what followup windows do RCTs use? Are they at risk of censoring acute harm from vaccination?

Conclusion: The evidence favors the conclusion that the evidence favors no conclusion.

This is a jumble, and people will Rorschach the heck out of anything they want to.

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Critical Thinker's avatar

Do you really think the findings are plausible and real?

This year according to CDC the flu shot was 35% effective in southern hemisphere which by the time we had our flu season in the North, its efficacy was probably further down due to rapidly mutating strains..

Also are you suggesting we should vaccinate a patient having a STEMI in June? For what reason? By Nov, that is the flu season the antibodies have likely completely vanished past their half life.

This incomplete study needs to be replicated before any further conclusions are driven.

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