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Paul Dorian's avatar

Thank you John , perceptive as usual

We treat patients for two reasons : to feel better and/or live longer ( note the two do not always go in the same direction).

In very ill patients , living longer is not necessarily the most important outcome . John Spertus and his team illustrated this in an elderly cohort, who asserted ( summarizing) that freedom from disability was MUCH more important than prolongation of life ( my emphasis) .

Our primary purpose as caregivers is to relieve suffering .

Matt Cook's avatar

Perhaps so. But surrogate endpoints exactly serve the Big Pharma cartel in every example I can think of, in cancer treatment, hypertension, CVD, on and on.

I am not treating patients. But I assume and believe that treating patients involves making them more comfortable.

But in the world of health research, all cause mortality is by far the most important factor and the one that Big Pharma inevitably prefers to squirm out of.

For instance, cancer treatments are sold with the promise that they postpone recurrence and lower death from cancer. That they don’t lengthen lifespan, or that they increase morbidity from side effects, is under reported.

CVD: statins are sold with the idea that they lower death from heart attacks. Their numerous bad side effects and the fact that they don’t extend lifespan is under reported.

Etc. This is just business as usual for Big Pharma.

So you bring up a narrow example that involves patient comfort and show a small but perhaps significant difference in all-cause mortality but I think this example is perhaps not particularly important. If it makes patients more comfortable to have oxygen delivered a different way, then wouldn’t it just be good medicine to deliver oxygen that way?

They used to deliver oxygen with a small amount of CO2, for many good reasons. So-called carbogen fell out of favor but perhaps it should be brought back. Patients are often over oxygenated, lowering their CO2 to dangerous levels.

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