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David AuBuchon's avatar

Is there not extensive support for paternalism, just in some spheres and not others, as seen in all aspects of covid? What is the difference? I would guess:

1) "Your rejection of my (or the government's) advice endangers others, so paternalism is okay here."

2) "It's easier for me to impose my judgement on you (or allow the government and the public to do so) as you are not a person I am interacting with one on one. You are an average person a policy is being applied to and I am less personally invested in respecting you.

3) Not knowing you personally, I also do not feel the weight of responsibility of having to actually know what I am talking about."

4) "Even if I care for you personally, I feel no risk of error impacting my personal reputation, as everyone else is doing it. "

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Matt Phillips's avatar

As a physician for over four decades - what's left out in this discussion is that if you're going to be paternal, you have to be a father that's actually been there. I guess what I'm trying to say is the fragmentation of medicine is such that the relationship developed over decades with patients and their families is a rarity now or becoming such. Lots of reasons for this and that's another post. If you really do not know the patient personally it's a major handicap when you're dealing with serious illnesses with long-term consequences

I've been retired now nine years and my patients still reach out to me. I was extremely fortunate to have had the opportunity to see patients and have that kind of relationship. That was why it was so devastating when I had to retire to me personally.

Shared decision-making is great when you have a patient or family that is capable of sorting the complexity of the problem in hand.

The most common question ask of me over the years is "what would you do if it was your mother? "

I'm sure someone is saying well my mother is not their mother. I get it but I'm telling you this is exactly the conversation physicians have every day.

But your job as a physician is not to be an architect or interior designer for example giving the family options to choose from.

If as a physician, you can't figure out what's the best course of therapy necessarily how in the world can the patients sort this out? No amount of discussion on your part can educate them to the level required to give them the same abilities without them going through medical school. Just like you have not had their life experiences. They have not had your medical experiences. None of them have sat in the ICU at the bedside watching a postop bypass come out of the OR etc..

In the end, you can lay it out and if it's straightforward in your mind, the data will speak for itself. " we can keep doing what we're doing your mother will die. It's just a matter of now or a couple days from now."

That's a completely different discussion then the treatment of significant mitral regurgitation in a 75 year-old with renal insufficiency and diabetes. Add a fib, unknown, duration, moderately controlled.

Now, if you want to really be interesting, have them be seen by four capable cardiologists, one general, one electrophysiologist, one interventional, and one interventional instructional who can do mitral clip

If you really want to see variation, have it be two different cities and add university versus private practice

I'm not trying to be pessimistic Wealthy people are paying $20,000 per family member in my city plus a reduced price for kids to be in a concierge practice. The doctors that are seeing them are good, but no offense they're not recognized as the best in the world either. Rich people don't like to spend their money, just cause they have it.

These people understand that healthcare has become too complicated and they don't believe they're in a position to navigate it. They are paying to have the relationship that all of us used to have. In short, they're paying for someone who can be paternalistic to some extent because they both have the time and relationship where it actually is appropriate.

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