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Steven Seiden, MD, FACC's avatar

With regard to the recommendation to take the shingles vaccine, it appears that in the NEJM article, the incidence of post-herpetic neuralgia in those over 70 was 0.01% in the vaccine group vs 0.09% in the placebo group over 3.8 yrs. That's an NNT of 1,250. Pretty slim benefit.

The numbers for shingles itself are somewhat better, but there you're preventing a nuisance, not a lot-term morbidity.

Not sure why Dr. Cifu is so enthusiastic about pt's over 50 all taking the shingles vaccine, "full stop."

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Dread Overlord's avatar

Keep in mind that they made an active effort not to use the actual receipt of Zostavax in their analyses. At no point in their analysis do they separate groups based on actual vaccine receipt. Both in the case of dementia and in the case of zoster, they note a reduction in the overall incidence based on the magnitude of the regression discontinuity, and then divide by the fractional overall uptake of the vaccine to multiply the "scaled" effect to account for the incomplete uptake.

As I wrote before, this leads to the counter-intuitive result that the lower the vaccine uptake, the higher the scaled effect becomes. If something else caused the effect - chance or an unsuspected outside influence - this technique would not only fail to find that, but would be utterly insensitive to it.

This isn't classical epidemiology at all, so ARR and RRR aren't meaningful in the usual sense. This is handwaving algebra dressed in fancy doctor clothes and pretending to belong at the party.

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