Covid has not disappeared. As we always have, internists will continue to take care of sick patients with respiratory illnesses. We should continue to take reasonable precautions in risky situations but draw the line at extreme measures.
Don’t have the energy or want to cite references here. I am stating my personal experience. I am an RN, married to ER doc, I am immunocompromised, worked with covid pts. Never had covid. I wear an N95 at work. My mask has worked.
You take it as a given that if a patient asked us to wear a mask then we all would. But why? Especially when that mask is almost certainly not going to be an N95? There is overwhelming evidence that standard surgical masks do little or nothing to reduce respiratory infection transmission. I understand that it is a quick, easy and, arguably, kind way to just get on with your day. But living these dozens of little micro-lies every day destroys our souls.
True. Also, SARS-CoV-2 and other aerosol-borne viruses are already in the air of doctors' offices. If the doctor puts on his mask when the patient comes in, it will make only a small difference.
You show me any mask that hangs on your face that can stop a virus I will show you how to get gold out of water! Basic science knows a chain link fence can’t stop a mosquito! Little on a paper or cloth mask that stops a virus!
To me I walk into a doctors office I see a man wearing a mask I think he is hiding his intentions and try to be unknown later! He will say “It wasn’t me did you see my whole face how could it be me you didn’t see my whole face I rest my case Judge!”
"Hiding your face from your attending and colleagues is one thing, but the more important questions is: what impact does wearing a mask have on our ability to provide outstanding patient care? How does it feel for our patients who are sick and alone in the hospital to never see a human face? "
This question raises doubts as to whether the author of this post really believes it is important for his face to be seen. Because for those who believe it's important, the solution has been around for a long time: transparent masks. There is a large selection of very different models of such masks on the market. If the author really cared about the problem, she would know it.
Wow, this comment was really grasping at straws. Transparent masks also send the same message to the patients about your inability to scientifically assess risk, signal your support of over reacting measures, and still make you look like a fucking clown to your patients.
Mind your own business, and how dare you presume to tell physicians or anyone else what to do with their own bodily autonomy? You don’t know their health problems, family situations, or how well read they are on the many ongoing risks of repeated Covid infections. Here you go, brush up on these 122 referenced studies:
I don't recall her telling any doctor what to do, dumbass. The very first sentence says that if a patient asks, then do it. Just know that most won't ask. Because it's stupid.
CDC EUA Surgical Masks, page 3, II : “Therefore, a surgical mask may not provide the user with a reliable level of protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles and is not considered respiratory protection. For this reason, surgical masks are not recommended for use in aerosol generating procedures and any clinical conditions where there is significant risk of infection through inhalation exposure.” https://www.fda.gov/media/140894/download?attachment
I first investigated masking in relation to wildfire smoke protection pre-Covid. It is hard to accept that the shifting and contradictory recommendations occurring in the few short months around Covid could be scientifically based.
How could masks that are not effective protecting against wildfire smoke, work on Covid?
Saw my regular doctor (GP) the other day and he was wearing a mask, and said he was doing so because he "had a sore throat". I had quite a laugh! Also, it was an N95 with a gaping gap under the chin, so useless for small moisture particles ingress and egress (Boyle's Law, published 1662, demolishes most beliefs about non-tight masking). Anyway, occurs to me that GPs see disproportionately the old, the anxious, the germaphobe, and the hypochondriac, so no wonder they err on the side of performative pseudoscience. Hopefully it all settles down eventually.
He was trying to keep YOU from getting sick, which is common courtesy. Please note, a million people will now answer with their own unwelcome views about masks. As if somebody wearing a mask is such a tragedy. Definitely a first world problem.
"a million people will now answer with their own unwelcome views about masks" -- please drop the delusions of persecution, Elena. It will help your mental health, I am certain.
Sure, but well over 90% of the air he was breathing in and out wasn't going through his mask filter, so it was performative. Physics doesn't care about intentions. That's why I laughed. He can do as he pleases.
“I think most people agree that, in 2024, if a patient asks his/her doctor to wear a mask the doctor should do it.”
It’s incredibly impolite (at best) to ask someone to cover their face. Respectfully say no, this is the only dignified response and the only way out of this silliness. It’s the right thing to do. So do it.
The following is a comment to me from a doctor here. I do not believe she is happy with the comments so far.
"I represent physicians just fine, thanks! And if I or anybody else wants to wear a mask, what skin is it off your back? You most likely have a personality disorder with your rigid views and judgmental opinions. We physicians dread your type, all fussy and throwing a tantrum about things. You’re the type that refuses a colonoscopy then freaks out when you get colon cancer. And then tries to sue everyone in the chart."
Why would I be embarrassed? I stand by my opinion and am delighted that my comment go under your skin. Just as yours did mine. Why hate and ostracize another person for wearing a mask?
Deena, I don't care if you did graduate from med school, if you are still wearing masks in 2024... You're an idiot.
We have every right to continue to wear masks to protect our health and the health of our patients. Personal choice.
Where is your scientific proof that you are “protecting your health or the health of your patients” by wearing a mask which is not an N95?
Don’t have the energy or want to cite references here. I am stating my personal experience. I am an RN, married to ER doc, I am immunocompromised, worked with covid pts. Never had covid. I wear an N95 at work. My mask has worked.
You take it as a given that if a patient asked us to wear a mask then we all would. But why? Especially when that mask is almost certainly not going to be an N95? There is overwhelming evidence that standard surgical masks do little or nothing to reduce respiratory infection transmission. I understand that it is a quick, easy and, arguably, kind way to just get on with your day. But living these dozens of little micro-lies every day destroys our souls.
True. Also, SARS-CoV-2 and other aerosol-borne viruses are already in the air of doctors' offices. If the doctor puts on his mask when the patient comes in, it will make only a small difference.
You show me any mask that hangs on your face that can stop a virus I will show you how to get gold out of water! Basic science knows a chain link fence can’t stop a mosquito! Little on a paper or cloth mask that stops a virus!
You are victim of the Hitlerite conspiracy theories.
To me I walk into a doctors office I see a man wearing a mask I think he is hiding his intentions and try to be unknown later! He will say “It wasn’t me did you see my whole face how could it be me you didn’t see my whole face I rest my case Judge!”
"Hiding your face from your attending and colleagues is one thing, but the more important questions is: what impact does wearing a mask have on our ability to provide outstanding patient care? How does it feel for our patients who are sick and alone in the hospital to never see a human face? "
This question raises doubts as to whether the author of this post really believes it is important for his face to be seen. Because for those who believe it's important, the solution has been around for a long time: transparent masks. There is a large selection of very different models of such masks on the market. If the author really cared about the problem, she would know it.
Wow, this comment was really grasping at straws. Transparent masks also send the same message to the patients about your inability to scientifically assess risk, signal your support of over reacting measures, and still make you look like a fucking clown to your patients.
Consequence of not wearing mask is death of the patients. Not wearing masks is manslaughter by negligence.
You are victim of Nazi conspiracy theories.
Mind your own business, and how dare you presume to tell physicians or anyone else what to do with their own bodily autonomy? You don’t know their health problems, family situations, or how well read they are on the many ongoing risks of repeated Covid infections. Here you go, brush up on these 122 referenced studies:
https://whn.global/scientific/spectrum-of-covid-19-from-asymptomatic-organ-damage-to-long-covid-syndrome/
Judge not lest you be judged yourself. And you’re probably creating a hostile work environment with your scorn.
I don't recall her telling any doctor what to do, dumbass. The very first sentence says that if a patient asks, then do it. Just know that most won't ask. Because it's stupid.
Gross to see all these “professionals” flouting basic disease control. Ya’ll prolly don’t wash your hands either
Washing hands makes sense. Doing something we have known for 100 years does not work is not basic or any other kind of disease control.
In March and April of 2020 ,if my icu patient was awake, I would lift my mask briefly and hold my breath like a child while introducing myself.
CDC EUA Surgical Masks, page 3, II : “Therefore, a surgical mask may not provide the user with a reliable level of protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles and is not considered respiratory protection. For this reason, surgical masks are not recommended for use in aerosol generating procedures and any clinical conditions where there is significant risk of infection through inhalation exposure.” https://www.fda.gov/media/140894/download?attachment
I first investigated masking in relation to wildfire smoke protection pre-Covid. It is hard to accept that the shifting and contradictory recommendations occurring in the few short months around Covid could be scientifically based.
How could masks that are not effective protecting against wildfire smoke, work on Covid?
My take: https://open.substack.com/pub/karlkanthak/p/is-public-health-creating-and-fostering?r=1n5j8w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
So why didn’t you enlighten him?
One of my fellow ID guys was still wearing a mask until very recently.
They said it was “more comfortable”
The Infection Control officer doesn’t wear them and doesn’t come to work if ill.
Continued masking might be a form of PTSD.
Saw my regular doctor (GP) the other day and he was wearing a mask, and said he was doing so because he "had a sore throat". I had quite a laugh! Also, it was an N95 with a gaping gap under the chin, so useless for small moisture particles ingress and egress (Boyle's Law, published 1662, demolishes most beliefs about non-tight masking). Anyway, occurs to me that GPs see disproportionately the old, the anxious, the germaphobe, and the hypochondriac, so no wonder they err on the side of performative pseudoscience. Hopefully it all settles down eventually.
He was trying to keep YOU from getting sick, which is common courtesy. Please note, a million people will now answer with their own unwelcome views about masks. As if somebody wearing a mask is such a tragedy. Definitely a first world problem.
"a million people will now answer with their own unwelcome views about masks" -- please drop the delusions of persecution, Elena. It will help your mental health, I am certain.
Actually, I don’t think about this thread until someone comments. Anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, as well as conspiracy theorists, are what they are.
Sure, but well over 90% of the air he was breathing in and out wasn't going through his mask filter, so it was performative. Physics doesn't care about intentions. That's why I laughed. He can do as he pleases.
“I think most people agree that, in 2024, if a patient asks his/her doctor to wear a mask the doctor should do it.”
It’s incredibly impolite (at best) to ask someone to cover their face. Respectfully say no, this is the only dignified response and the only way out of this silliness. It’s the right thing to do. So do it.
Saving health and lives is what matters. Covering the face is standard tool for doing that.
Those who do not care for lives and health of vulnerable people have chosen the wrong job.
The following is a comment to me from a doctor here. I do not believe she is happy with the comments so far.
"I represent physicians just fine, thanks! And if I or anybody else wants to wear a mask, what skin is it off your back? You most likely have a personality disorder with your rigid views and judgmental opinions. We physicians dread your type, all fussy and throwing a tantrum about things. You’re the type that refuses a colonoscopy then freaks out when you get colon cancer. And then tries to sue everyone in the chart."
Comments so far? Most citizens know that there are a small number of very vocal far right-wing conspiracy theorists.
And I am one of them! Bwahaha!
You do not have my permission to requote what I wrote.
HA! Not sure of your point, maybe you are just really embarrassed about such a silly comment you made. But, credit for owning it!
Why would I be embarrassed? I stand by my opinion and am delighted that my comment go under your skin. Just as yours did mine. Why hate and ostracize another person for wearing a mask?
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A mask is inimical to a positive placebo effect in the doctor patient experience