A little late to the party, but people are really hanging their hats on Cochrane and their mask review. Curious what you think about this - "All-cause mortality and fatal and non-fatal CVD events were reduced with the use of statins as was the need for revascularisation (the restoration of an adequate blood supply to the heart) by means of surgery (coronary artery bypass graft ) or by angioplasty (PTCA). Of 1000 people treated with a statin for five years, 18 would avoid a major CVD event which compares well with other treatments used for preventing cardiovascular disease. Taking statins did not increase the risk of serious adverse effects such as cancer. Statins are likely to be cost-effective in primary prevention." I'm guessing most of you don't agree with Cochrane on this, but they are the gospel on masking???
" If you think there are adequate data to prove that statement false, please cite the high-quality evidence." Usually yoiu have to prove that something works, not that it does not work. Proving a negative is an endless task with no end, as one can always raise some kind of objection .
I can see cancelling colonoscopy because anesthesia, but in my office we would just change it to a “sick visit”, check u out and if it was something easy like a wart freeze or shave biopsy just do the procedure if u felt up to it
But I work in direct primary care, we have more leeway
Been a nurse 3 decades. Saw the AIDS patients for the first time on our unit...which treated cancer patients with chemtherapies. What worked was love and kindness. Still does for many different cases, even with the psych patients are cruel and evil to their cores. Much of it is a spiritual war. Most have ignored it but it is very real. Now have been thru Covid treatments and dont agree with the CDC protocols and Remdesivir or anything that puts my patients in danger. Not here to follow orders. Lord Jesus Christ is my true Boss and King.
This thread reminded me of a chorale concert at a nearby university. The concert took place in fall 2020. Every chorister wore a mask.
Then at a private school attended by my nieces, as late as 2022, the students in the orchestral ensemble had to be masked. This went for wind and brass players too. So little holes were cut in the masks for mouthpieces. It made it look more like a circus.
Fruitcakes like this need to understand what tens of millions of people understand. We are at war and doctors (the indDOCtrinated) are are at the forefront as enemies of humanity. Quacks who still take masks, viruses or so-called covid tests seriously are not doing themselves any favors by prolonging the hoax but God willing they will soon learn that the hard way.
CDC EUA Surgical Masks, page 3, II : “Therefore, a surgical mask may not provide the user with a reliable level of protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles and is not considered respiratory protection. For this reason, surgical masks are not recommended for use in aerosol generating procedures and any clinical conditions where there is significant risk of infection through inhalation exposure.” https://www.fda.gov/media/140894/download?attachment
I first investigated masking in relation to wildfire smoke protection pre-Covid. It is hard to accept that the shifting and contradictory recommendations occurring in the few short months around Covid could be scientifically based.
I do agree with the statement that if you are masking for every patient encounter without exception, then that is a truly zero prejudice position to take.
Likewise, if you masked for no one.
I would add though, that only an N95 would effectively protect you from the patient, and them from you. A cloth mask is just silly signalling. And even a surgical mask isn’t going to do much, based on the evidence I’ve seen.
First paragraph : states his own absolute about something he couldn’t possibly know and contradicted by evidence both before and after.
Third paragraph: criticizes the same behavior he endorses in paragraph 1. He doesn’t talk about the timing, but in fact AIDS was very different at the beginning because it was a completely new type of virus. Unlike with COVID where you had many other coronaviruses and data about their transmission there was nothing known about AIDS, not even that the cause was viral. It also had a near 100% mortality rate regardless of age or health. Some precautionary measures were certainly continued well after evidence showed they were not useful (sound familiar?) but a needle stick could still be fatal. That was very wrong, but I would think the lesson learned would be to think about what was already known, not exacerbate a panic mentality in the public.
I made the fwg commnet to Catherine Sarkisian's piece, and interestingly enough it would apply to HIV as well. Just stating what I've known for several decades since the 1st SARS, and no offence intended: "Holistic medicine practitioners’ understanding of health/disease/immunity enables them to go maskless due to a lack of fear of viral disease. Reading that some conventional medical practitioners have this unreasonable (that is to holistic thinking) fear makes it quite astonishing that conventional medicine dominates, yet unsurprising that many people don’t trust doctors post-covid. "
I can see the argument in the short term for wearing a mask if a patient is. You're probably going to cause emotional distress in people who are still wearing masks. Which might affect any readings you might need to get from them for medical diagnosis. However, I think the main end goal should be to encourage the patient to feel comfortable being in a room with people while not wearing a mask. To get them slowly back to feeling okay with not wearing one again.
A little late to the party, but people are really hanging their hats on Cochrane and their mask review. Curious what you think about this - "All-cause mortality and fatal and non-fatal CVD events were reduced with the use of statins as was the need for revascularisation (the restoration of an adequate blood supply to the heart) by means of surgery (coronary artery bypass graft ) or by angioplasty (PTCA). Of 1000 people treated with a statin for five years, 18 would avoid a major CVD event which compares well with other treatments used for preventing cardiovascular disease. Taking statins did not increase the risk of serious adverse effects such as cancer. Statins are likely to be cost-effective in primary prevention." I'm guessing most of you don't agree with Cochrane on this, but they are the gospel on masking???
" If you think there are adequate data to prove that statement false, please cite the high-quality evidence." Usually yoiu have to prove that something works, not that it does not work. Proving a negative is an endless task with no end, as one can always raise some kind of objection .
As a geophysicist, I gave up on SA a long time ago.
I can see cancelling colonoscopy because anesthesia, but in my office we would just change it to a “sick visit”, check u out and if it was something easy like a wart freeze or shave biopsy just do the procedure if u felt up to it
But I work in direct primary care, we have more leeway
Been a nurse 3 decades. Saw the AIDS patients for the first time on our unit...which treated cancer patients with chemtherapies. What worked was love and kindness. Still does for many different cases, even with the psych patients are cruel and evil to their cores. Much of it is a spiritual war. Most have ignored it but it is very real. Now have been thru Covid treatments and dont agree with the CDC protocols and Remdesivir or anything that puts my patients in danger. Not here to follow orders. Lord Jesus Christ is my true Boss and King.
This article makes much more sense. Thank you.
This thread reminded me of a chorale concert at a nearby university. The concert took place in fall 2020. Every chorister wore a mask.
Then at a private school attended by my nieces, as late as 2022, the students in the orchestral ensemble had to be masked. This went for wind and brass players too. So little holes were cut in the masks for mouthpieces. It made it look more like a circus.
Fruitcakes like this need to understand what tens of millions of people understand. We are at war and doctors (the indDOCtrinated) are are at the forefront as enemies of humanity. Quacks who still take masks, viruses or so-called covid tests seriously are not doing themselves any favors by prolonging the hoax but God willing they will soon learn that the hard way.
Lazy intellectualism at its finest.
"No, YOU do the work. I'm busy doing more important things than having to back up my wildly baseless assumptions and equally useless conclusions."
CDC EUA Surgical Masks, page 3, II : “Therefore, a surgical mask may not provide the user with a reliable level of protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles and is not considered respiratory protection. For this reason, surgical masks are not recommended for use in aerosol generating procedures and any clinical conditions where there is significant risk of infection through inhalation exposure.” https://www.fda.gov/media/140894/download?attachment
I first investigated masking in relation to wildfire smoke protection pre-Covid. It is hard to accept that the shifting and contradictory recommendations occurring in the few short months around Covid could be scientifically based.
How could masks that are not effective protecting against wildfire smoke, work on Covid? My take: https://open.substack.com/pub/karlkanthak/p/is-public-health-creating-and-fostering?r=1n5j8w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Isn’t he from the place that brought us the Salem trials? Seems the Dogma runs deep in Beantown.
What does masking have to do with sensor disease?
https://open.substack.com/pub/anamihalceamdphd/p/scientific-study-corona-is-technology?r=rfwo3&utm_medium=ios
I do agree with the statement that if you are masking for every patient encounter without exception, then that is a truly zero prejudice position to take.
Likewise, if you masked for no one.
I would add though, that only an N95 would effectively protect you from the patient, and them from you. A cloth mask is just silly signalling. And even a surgical mask isn’t going to do much, based on the evidence I’ve seen.
First paragraph : states his own absolute about something he couldn’t possibly know and contradicted by evidence both before and after.
Third paragraph: criticizes the same behavior he endorses in paragraph 1. He doesn’t talk about the timing, but in fact AIDS was very different at the beginning because it was a completely new type of virus. Unlike with COVID where you had many other coronaviruses and data about their transmission there was nothing known about AIDS, not even that the cause was viral. It also had a near 100% mortality rate regardless of age or health. Some precautionary measures were certainly continued well after evidence showed they were not useful (sound familiar?) but a needle stick could still be fatal. That was very wrong, but I would think the lesson learned would be to think about what was already known, not exacerbate a panic mentality in the public.
I made the fwg commnet to Catherine Sarkisian's piece, and interestingly enough it would apply to HIV as well. Just stating what I've known for several decades since the 1st SARS, and no offence intended: "Holistic medicine practitioners’ understanding of health/disease/immunity enables them to go maskless due to a lack of fear of viral disease. Reading that some conventional medical practitioners have this unreasonable (that is to holistic thinking) fear makes it quite astonishing that conventional medicine dominates, yet unsurprising that many people don’t trust doctors post-covid. "
I can see the argument in the short term for wearing a mask if a patient is. You're probably going to cause emotional distress in people who are still wearing masks. Which might affect any readings you might need to get from them for medical diagnosis. However, I think the main end goal should be to encourage the patient to feel comfortable being in a room with people while not wearing a mask. To get them slowly back to feeling okay with not wearing one again.