Your constant reliance on a consensus of "experts" and unsupported anecdotal data does nothing to effectively support your position. You have now added the favorite tool of internet trolls attacking the source rather than actually refuting the data.
Would you allow you students to prove out a hypothesis by citing a consensus of expert opi…
Your constant reliance on a consensus of "experts" and unsupported anecdotal data does nothing to effectively support your position. You have now added the favorite tool of internet trolls attacking the source rather than actually refuting the data.
Would you allow you students to prove out a hypothesis by citing a consensus of expert opinion vs requiring repeatable and replicable research and data?
Your “expert” opinion is that the vaccines “worked” until they did not due to the mutation of the virus. And by “worked” you mean, had some beneficial affect on prevention of serious illness and death as no one continues to maintain that they prevent infection and spread. Dr. Birx stated "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization.". Supporting this is the inconvenient fact that everyone got Covid regardless of vaccination status. You believe that the vaccines only failed nearly completely when the virus mutated which was inevitable and completely predictable. Anyone who knows anything about respiratory viruses is aware that they mutate quickly thus the failure of the vaccine due to mutation of the virus was predictable and nearly assured. But with this understanding you support a public health policy of coerced/mandated universal vaccination without consideration of prior infection, the dramatic variation in risk represented by the virus depending upon age and health, potential drug interaction and the unknown safety profile of the vaccine due to rushed testing. We are only now beginning to understand the safety profile of the vaccines and it is not looking very good.
Kind of sounds like the type of policy that would be formulated by the people who determined we needed to wear masks (ineffective cloth or cheap paper masks) all the time but when we sat down in a crowded restaurant it was OK to take your mask off. Or that you had to wear a mask in a crowded enclosed metal tube (a modern airliner) except it is OK when you are eating or drinking to take the mask off.
I understand that you want to limit the discussion to a carefully curated set of studies which fit your narrative. In addition, it is telling that you brought politics into this discussion and spent nearly half your participation insulting and denigrating a series of individuals that were never mentioned by me but continually brought into the conversation by you. You fail to address the data and actual experience and constantly appeal to "expert" consensus rather than make a rational argument. Even though we are pretty far afield from the article your behavior does a pretty good job illustrating bias.
A big issue with your position is that studies are not required to form an opinion about the success or failure of the vaccines or other interventions. Nor is the opinion of the individuals you continually and unnecessarily brought into the conversation. People are forming their opinions from their own experiences. They know the vaccines failed because they and nearly everyone they know got Covid (many multiple times) regardless of vaccination status. They also understand that they were mislead and outright lied to (Dr. Birx's admission above is only a single instance of many) by the people they were being asked to trust. Lack of transparency, lies and corrupted data either due to incompetence or dishonesty have removed the inherent trust of the population. Public health experts can not now move the goalposts - "I know we told you the vaccines would prevent infection and spread, what we really meant to say was they prevent severe illness and death". Sorry not buying it and many others are not as well. They may not be vocal like me but look at how vaccine uptake just collapsed when the above became evident. As a result of this loss of faith and trust, I think that we will find a far less compliant populace during the next public health crisis. This may prove to be a bad thing but those of you in the public health establishment have no one to blame but yourselves.
This really is my last post as it is obvious we are both wasting our time.
Your constant reliance on a consensus of "experts" and unsupported anecdotal data does nothing to effectively support your position. You have now added the favorite tool of internet trolls attacking the source rather than actually refuting the data.
Would you allow you students to prove out a hypothesis by citing a consensus of expert opinion vs requiring repeatable and replicable research and data?
Your “expert” opinion is that the vaccines “worked” until they did not due to the mutation of the virus. And by “worked” you mean, had some beneficial affect on prevention of serious illness and death as no one continues to maintain that they prevent infection and spread. Dr. Birx stated "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization.". Supporting this is the inconvenient fact that everyone got Covid regardless of vaccination status. You believe that the vaccines only failed nearly completely when the virus mutated which was inevitable and completely predictable. Anyone who knows anything about respiratory viruses is aware that they mutate quickly thus the failure of the vaccine due to mutation of the virus was predictable and nearly assured. But with this understanding you support a public health policy of coerced/mandated universal vaccination without consideration of prior infection, the dramatic variation in risk represented by the virus depending upon age and health, potential drug interaction and the unknown safety profile of the vaccine due to rushed testing. We are only now beginning to understand the safety profile of the vaccines and it is not looking very good.
Kind of sounds like the type of policy that would be formulated by the people who determined we needed to wear masks (ineffective cloth or cheap paper masks) all the time but when we sat down in a crowded restaurant it was OK to take your mask off. Or that you had to wear a mask in a crowded enclosed metal tube (a modern airliner) except it is OK when you are eating or drinking to take the mask off.
I understand that you want to limit the discussion to a carefully curated set of studies which fit your narrative. In addition, it is telling that you brought politics into this discussion and spent nearly half your participation insulting and denigrating a series of individuals that were never mentioned by me but continually brought into the conversation by you. You fail to address the data and actual experience and constantly appeal to "expert" consensus rather than make a rational argument. Even though we are pretty far afield from the article your behavior does a pretty good job illustrating bias.
A big issue with your position is that studies are not required to form an opinion about the success or failure of the vaccines or other interventions. Nor is the opinion of the individuals you continually and unnecessarily brought into the conversation. People are forming their opinions from their own experiences. They know the vaccines failed because they and nearly everyone they know got Covid (many multiple times) regardless of vaccination status. They also understand that they were mislead and outright lied to (Dr. Birx's admission above is only a single instance of many) by the people they were being asked to trust. Lack of transparency, lies and corrupted data either due to incompetence or dishonesty have removed the inherent trust of the population. Public health experts can not now move the goalposts - "I know we told you the vaccines would prevent infection and spread, what we really meant to say was they prevent severe illness and death". Sorry not buying it and many others are not as well. They may not be vocal like me but look at how vaccine uptake just collapsed when the above became evident. As a result of this loss of faith and trust, I think that we will find a far less compliant populace during the next public health crisis. This may prove to be a bad thing but those of you in the public health establishment have no one to blame but yourselves.
This really is my last post as it is obvious we are both wasting our time.