John, while I like Vinay and his commitment to evidence-driven medicine, I do not trust RFK Jr and his ban of merry-men as far as I can throw them. I wish I shared your optimism.
Prasad is imminently rational and I really miss his Substack presence. I dare not cancel his subscription... But alas, paying for a non producing Substack is kinda silly.
Can someone from Vinay's people please address his dead Substack situation?
You state "These are all flawed analyses because they compare people with vaccine myocarditis (a group with a known denominator) to people who present with infection-bad-enough-to-be-seen-in-clinic (a group with an unknown denominator). The proper comparison is all people with SARS-CoV-2 infection—a much larger group than in the study." Have you actually read the Lancet Child and Adolescent Health paper (not the Lancet as you state)? The comparison group was 'proper' by your definition as it was based on linked testing records and nothing to do with being seen in a clinic. I would say the conclusion from such a carefully conducted study is sound: "Children and young people have higher risks of rare vascular and inflammatory diseases up to 12 months after a first COVID-19 diagnosis and higher risk of rare myocarditis or pericarditis up to 4 weeks after a first BNT162b2 vaccine, although the risk following vaccination is substantially lower than the risk following infection. These findings are of great importance for national policy makers and caregivers considering vaccination consent for children, and support the public health strategy of COVID-19 vaccination in children and young people to mitigate the more frequent and persistent risks associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
We as physicians have turned a blind eye to the fundamental conflict of interest between the FDA and Big Pharma that pays 75% of the FDA Budget. Ignoring known treatments in favor of an untested novel mRNA resulted in harming thousands.
In Haiti, where I served as a missionary doctor, the death rate from COVID as of December 2024 was 75 per million. Only 3 percent of the population was vaccinated, and they did not wear masks at all, they did not close schools, they did not social distance and they gathered in huge crowds. I verified this with Dr. Pepe, the chief of infectious diseases in Haiti, a friend of mine.
In the USA the death rate from COVID as of 2024 was 3,100 per million. And 85 percent of the population was vaccinated. People wore masks, social distanced, stayed inside and schools were closed.
You are smart people. Please tell me the reason why America had more COVID deaths than almost any other country in the world. And why Haiti did so well without vaccinations.
I don’t think you really understand that Americans have lost their trust in Medicine. They know they were lied to, killed, and no one is found culpable despite overwhelming evidence. Even I do not trust what I was taught during medical school, internship, residency, and fellowship at this point.
100% accurate. It is amazing that most physicians are still blind to the truth and under the narrative of industrial complex. When are we going to wake up and speak for our patients.
John- I am a board-certified CT surgeon. Vinay and I have mutual friends. He blocked me on X because I called him out on his shit. He is clearly arrogant as you know and he’s not an authority on everything. Despite this, he thinks he is. Certainly not in thoracic surgery which he has directly challenged me on. But he has gone over the top and used to be a fairly neutral arbiter and now all his positions are changed and I don’t really see how you can support him given that you are mainstream and evidence based and everything you write is top-notch. He has become fringe and is totally disliked by the established medical community and his “former friends”. I guess his personality is too immature to understand that you can’t berate everybody and expect to be respected and liked. I don’t know if you’ve seen letters that have been written to him directly and published online by other physicians. He has taken money while he denies that he never has and it goes on and on. Frankly, I think, as a friend of his, you need to sit him down and tell him to cool the jets. Everybody knows that somebody who publishes as much as he does cannot practice clinical medicine, despite the claim that he does everything. That’s a bunch of bullshit . BTW-You and I have absolutely the same feelings on CT coronary and calcium scores and that they’re unnecessary. Let’s be honest it’s the soft plaque that matter and the treatment is to lower a ApoB or LDL-P. I look forward to your response – Michael.
"But then it became clear that COVID-19 vaccines did not block transmission."
Is it possible that the COVID-19 vaccines reduced the probability of transmission, even if they didn't completely block it? What does the data say, if anything, about this question?
A vaccine can only be as good as naturally acquired immunity. We have known for decades that naturally acquired Coronavirus immunity is PARTIAL & TRANSIENT. No Coronavirus vaccine was ever going to be a really successful venture. It was ludicrous from the outset. No more recent information adds to what we know.
Thoughtful. Thank you. When a 21 year old grad of my high school who played competitive soccer with no genetic or previous health issues had to have open heart surgery because of inflamed heart- and had been three times vaxxed - this became a real life possibility. His doctors in Portland, OR said “this is a surgery 80 year olds have” and were perplexed. As his Bio teacher who had read up a lot of this substack, I was not perplexed.
one other point I think Mandrola should make is that at least 5-10 other countries linked deaths to vax, so a finding like this is not only plausible, but expected
If there’s anything that’s for certain, it’s that Sensible Medicine loves to Steel Man vaccine criticism. I don’t blame them, they’ve found their grift. No different than Big Pharma.
The better question, however, is which vaccine should one give and which should be very much optional. And also when should these be given and whether these should be given in 1 sitting or multiple sitting. An obvious one to mention is HepB given at 1 day old to babies in the US. The rational for giving this to babies of HepB +ve mothers is obvious and personally I think a good thing. But there is no rational for giving HepB vaccine to babies of HepB negative mothers. So why take the risk. Better to wait and give this to teenagers, although in Denmark they only give the HepB vaccine to individuals who work or come into contact with human blood or blood products, and the Danes don't seem to be any the worse off for this. Similarly what is the risk/benefit ratio for the pertussis vaccine. Yes we can all agree that Pertussis in young babies is bad news, but in children it isn't a big deal, albeit unpleasant but at least confers life long immunity compared to only about 5 years for the acellular pertussis vaccine. And then how about chicken pox. Chicken pox is a mild disease and we have absolutely zero evidence that it reduces the incidence of shingles late in life, although we have plenty of evidence that it might actually increases the likelihood of getting shingles. Bottom line: chicken pox vaccine is a vaccine of economic convenience. So rather than add vaccine after vaccine to the childhood vaccination schedule perhaps it would be wiser to keep this to a bear minimum and also only administer one vaccine at a time.
The first complaint is a huge tell as to the fact that there has always been a HUGE bias in favor of shielding the public from any awareness of harm - whether or not evidence of harm (Re COVID vaccines) - even strong evidence - emerged. “Finding out” was never the objective of those overseeing the process. The agenda was set to promote vaccines no matter what because the belief in their god-like nature is so strong.
Maybe not so much that "the belief in their god-like nature is so strong", but that the COVID vaccine promoters have such low confidence in the ability of ordinary people to process information intelligently and make their own informed decisions.
My wording was awkward. But I do believe that the bias in favor of celebrating new technologies and being able to conquer nature through scientific ingenuity creates a strong bias - you could even say "hope" and "faith" - which colors the expectation even before safety-related evidence is in one way or the other - that the vaccine would be our way out of the pandemic, etc. I heard that belief from people in March 2020 like it was a fact. And expectation leads human endeavor all the time.
I agree about the low confidence in ordinary people as well, but I think it's both/and.
Read John Beaudoin Sr's work from Massachusetts death certificate data. If you can follow his work and not think we were lied to, then I have a stock tip for you, all I need is your life savings and I can make you money. I hope you get my point. I had a patient who ended up in heart failure 6 hours after his first dose. His wife insisted on more. Each subsequent dose, he landed hospitalized for days if not weeks. He eventually died after dose 5. I had another patient who could go to the Mayo Clinic for his paid medical break without being vaxxed. So he dutifully got his third dose. By the time he ended up at Mayo 6 days later he had gained 30# of fluid and nearly didn't make it to Mayo. I could provide more anecdotal evidence but I would need a legal pad to do it on. Like the 6 people all diagnosed with oral CA in the same week. Or the 6 people I know with brain cancer. Or the patient whose blood vessels shredded during surgery and died. Or the dozens of return prostate and breasts CA diagnoses. Or the shear number of people I now know who needed heart value surgery or diagnosed with Afib. And then the number of patients with PE and DVT. Then there are just the number of my elderly who are all fuzzy and losing strength quicker than ever before. And the thing is I have seen the same population mix of patients for 25+ years. Since covid vaccines, it's all changed.
Yes! I have met John B. and follow his amazing work. My ongoing list of people with post-vxxx adverse events: new onset rare cancers causing death in months, young teen girl with heart failure requiring cardiac transplant, sudden cardiac deaths in athletes, four healthy people 40s-50s died suddenly from brain or aortic aneurysms, 40's female with PE requiring hospitalization, another with scattered clots. Relative with a retinal clot after booster requiring eyeball injections for a year. Five 50s-60's women with new onset arrhythmia and/or supraventricular tachycardia (SVT) after boosters, requiring E.R. visits, cardiac monitoring and medications. A 60 year old female vaxxed to the maxx with mRNA got Shingrix and high dose flu shots at same CVS sitting, suffered massive hemorrhagic stroke within days, still alive but in nursing home, non-ambulatory, a talented artist who lost function of both hands, still has some of her marbles but unable to care for herself. 70 year old male friend with stable long standing interstitial lung disease decompensated after mRNA injections, dead in under two months. Three people with shingles post-vxxx. I'm sure I'm missing a few...
John, while I like Vinay and his commitment to evidence-driven medicine, I do not trust RFK Jr and his ban of merry-men as far as I can throw them. I wish I shared your optimism.
John - curious what you make of this by someone who had actual experience with vaccine regulation and Vinay cited approvingly https://www.science.org/content/article/what-fda-veteran-thinks-controversial-vaccine-email-gets-right-and-wrong
What utter tosh.
Coronavirus immunity is never 100%, therefore no Coronavirus vaccine immunity was ever going to be Measles-immunity like!
It frustrates me to no end that we consider this fact as recently learned, no, we've known this forever.
The very idea of a Coronavirus vaccine is foolish beyond extreme cases.
We need to stop lying about this!
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Prasad is imminently rational and I really miss his Substack presence. I dare not cancel his subscription... But alas, paying for a non producing Substack is kinda silly.
Can someone from Vinay's people please address his dead Substack situation?
You state "These are all flawed analyses because they compare people with vaccine myocarditis (a group with a known denominator) to people who present with infection-bad-enough-to-be-seen-in-clinic (a group with an unknown denominator). The proper comparison is all people with SARS-CoV-2 infection—a much larger group than in the study." Have you actually read the Lancet Child and Adolescent Health paper (not the Lancet as you state)? The comparison group was 'proper' by your definition as it was based on linked testing records and nothing to do with being seen in a clinic. I would say the conclusion from such a carefully conducted study is sound: "Children and young people have higher risks of rare vascular and inflammatory diseases up to 12 months after a first COVID-19 diagnosis and higher risk of rare myocarditis or pericarditis up to 4 weeks after a first BNT162b2 vaccine, although the risk following vaccination is substantially lower than the risk following infection. These findings are of great importance for national policy makers and caregivers considering vaccination consent for children, and support the public health strategy of COVID-19 vaccination in children and young people to mitigate the more frequent and persistent risks associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
We as physicians have turned a blind eye to the fundamental conflict of interest between the FDA and Big Pharma that pays 75% of the FDA Budget. Ignoring known treatments in favor of an untested novel mRNA resulted in harming thousands.
In Haiti, where I served as a missionary doctor, the death rate from COVID as of December 2024 was 75 per million. Only 3 percent of the population was vaccinated, and they did not wear masks at all, they did not close schools, they did not social distance and they gathered in huge crowds. I verified this with Dr. Pepe, the chief of infectious diseases in Haiti, a friend of mine.
In the USA the death rate from COVID as of 2024 was 3,100 per million. And 85 percent of the population was vaccinated. People wore masks, social distanced, stayed inside and schools were closed.
You are smart people. Please tell me the reason why America had more COVID deaths than almost any other country in the world. And why Haiti did so well without vaccinations.
I don’t think you really understand that Americans have lost their trust in Medicine. They know they were lied to, killed, and no one is found culpable despite overwhelming evidence. Even I do not trust what I was taught during medical school, internship, residency, and fellowship at this point.
100% accurate. It is amazing that most physicians are still blind to the truth and under the narrative of industrial complex. When are we going to wake up and speak for our patients.
John- I am a board-certified CT surgeon. Vinay and I have mutual friends. He blocked me on X because I called him out on his shit. He is clearly arrogant as you know and he’s not an authority on everything. Despite this, he thinks he is. Certainly not in thoracic surgery which he has directly challenged me on. But he has gone over the top and used to be a fairly neutral arbiter and now all his positions are changed and I don’t really see how you can support him given that you are mainstream and evidence based and everything you write is top-notch. He has become fringe and is totally disliked by the established medical community and his “former friends”. I guess his personality is too immature to understand that you can’t berate everybody and expect to be respected and liked. I don’t know if you’ve seen letters that have been written to him directly and published online by other physicians. He has taken money while he denies that he never has and it goes on and on. Frankly, I think, as a friend of his, you need to sit him down and tell him to cool the jets. Everybody knows that somebody who publishes as much as he does cannot practice clinical medicine, despite the claim that he does everything. That’s a bunch of bullshit . BTW-You and I have absolutely the same feelings on CT coronary and calcium scores and that they’re unnecessary. Let’s be honest it’s the soft plaque that matter and the treatment is to lower a ApoB or LDL-P. I look forward to your response – Michael.
"But then it became clear that COVID-19 vaccines did not block transmission."
Is it possible that the COVID-19 vaccines reduced the probability of transmission, even if they didn't completely block it? What does the data say, if anything, about this question?
A vaccine can only be as good as naturally acquired immunity. We have known for decades that naturally acquired Coronavirus immunity is PARTIAL & TRANSIENT. No Coronavirus vaccine was ever going to be a really successful venture. It was ludicrous from the outset. No more recent information adds to what we know.
Thoughtful. Thank you. When a 21 year old grad of my high school who played competitive soccer with no genetic or previous health issues had to have open heart surgery because of inflamed heart- and had been three times vaxxed - this became a real life possibility. His doctors in Portland, OR said “this is a surgery 80 year olds have” and were perplexed. As his Bio teacher who had read up a lot of this substack, I was not perplexed.
one other point I think Mandrola should make is that at least 5-10 other countries linked deaths to vax, so a finding like this is not only plausible, but expected
If there’s anything that’s for certain, it’s that Sensible Medicine loves to Steel Man vaccine criticism. I don’t blame them, they’ve found their grift. No different than Big Pharma.
You seem to live in a Big Pharma bubble.
Better steel than straw eh!
can you give an example?
Interesting defense but I am afraid that Vinay’s email will continue to erode trust in all vaccines.
The better question, however, is which vaccine should one give and which should be very much optional. And also when should these be given and whether these should be given in 1 sitting or multiple sitting. An obvious one to mention is HepB given at 1 day old to babies in the US. The rational for giving this to babies of HepB +ve mothers is obvious and personally I think a good thing. But there is no rational for giving HepB vaccine to babies of HepB negative mothers. So why take the risk. Better to wait and give this to teenagers, although in Denmark they only give the HepB vaccine to individuals who work or come into contact with human blood or blood products, and the Danes don't seem to be any the worse off for this. Similarly what is the risk/benefit ratio for the pertussis vaccine. Yes we can all agree that Pertussis in young babies is bad news, but in children it isn't a big deal, albeit unpleasant but at least confers life long immunity compared to only about 5 years for the acellular pertussis vaccine. And then how about chicken pox. Chicken pox is a mild disease and we have absolutely zero evidence that it reduces the incidence of shingles late in life, although we have plenty of evidence that it might actually increases the likelihood of getting shingles. Bottom line: chicken pox vaccine is a vaccine of economic convenience. So rather than add vaccine after vaccine to the childhood vaccination schedule perhaps it would be wiser to keep this to a bear minimum and also only administer one vaccine at a time.
They all should be optional.
Agree! This is our plan. One at a time.
The first complaint is a huge tell as to the fact that there has always been a HUGE bias in favor of shielding the public from any awareness of harm - whether or not evidence of harm (Re COVID vaccines) - even strong evidence - emerged. “Finding out” was never the objective of those overseeing the process. The agenda was set to promote vaccines no matter what because the belief in their god-like nature is so strong.
That is true. The mandates became the most egregious medical personal assault in the history of medicine. We can do better.
Maybe not so much that "the belief in their god-like nature is so strong", but that the COVID vaccine promoters have such low confidence in the ability of ordinary people to process information intelligently and make their own informed decisions.
My wording was awkward. But I do believe that the bias in favor of celebrating new technologies and being able to conquer nature through scientific ingenuity creates a strong bias - you could even say "hope" and "faith" - which colors the expectation even before safety-related evidence is in one way or the other - that the vaccine would be our way out of the pandemic, etc. I heard that belief from people in March 2020 like it was a fact. And expectation leads human endeavor all the time.
I agree about the low confidence in ordinary people as well, but I think it's both/and.
It's like a Spock religion. Live Long & Prosper... but mandatory
Read John Beaudoin Sr's work from Massachusetts death certificate data. If you can follow his work and not think we were lied to, then I have a stock tip for you, all I need is your life savings and I can make you money. I hope you get my point. I had a patient who ended up in heart failure 6 hours after his first dose. His wife insisted on more. Each subsequent dose, he landed hospitalized for days if not weeks. He eventually died after dose 5. I had another patient who could go to the Mayo Clinic for his paid medical break without being vaxxed. So he dutifully got his third dose. By the time he ended up at Mayo 6 days later he had gained 30# of fluid and nearly didn't make it to Mayo. I could provide more anecdotal evidence but I would need a legal pad to do it on. Like the 6 people all diagnosed with oral CA in the same week. Or the 6 people I know with brain cancer. Or the patient whose blood vessels shredded during surgery and died. Or the dozens of return prostate and breasts CA diagnoses. Or the shear number of people I now know who needed heart value surgery or diagnosed with Afib. And then the number of patients with PE and DVT. Then there are just the number of my elderly who are all fuzzy and losing strength quicker than ever before. And the thing is I have seen the same population mix of patients for 25+ years. Since covid vaccines, it's all changed.
Yes! I have met John B. and follow his amazing work. My ongoing list of people with post-vxxx adverse events: new onset rare cancers causing death in months, young teen girl with heart failure requiring cardiac transplant, sudden cardiac deaths in athletes, four healthy people 40s-50s died suddenly from brain or aortic aneurysms, 40's female with PE requiring hospitalization, another with scattered clots. Relative with a retinal clot after booster requiring eyeball injections for a year. Five 50s-60's women with new onset arrhythmia and/or supraventricular tachycardia (SVT) after boosters, requiring E.R. visits, cardiac monitoring and medications. A 60 year old female vaxxed to the maxx with mRNA got Shingrix and high dose flu shots at same CVS sitting, suffered massive hemorrhagic stroke within days, still alive but in nursing home, non-ambulatory, a talented artist who lost function of both hands, still has some of her marbles but unable to care for herself. 70 year old male friend with stable long standing interstitial lung disease decompensated after mRNA injections, dead in under two months. Three people with shingles post-vxxx. I'm sure I'm missing a few...
I have personally witnessed over 10 young healthy people die as a result of the mRNA experiment. So sad.
OMG, I guess I should consider myself lucky for just having Shingles post Vid Vax.